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I’m not familiar with star-craft multi-player but, assholes out number “decent” folk in many competition based in games (at least they’re the most vocal). I feel the less power someone has in life the more they’ll abuse it when they feel like they’ve done something or are doing something that makes them feel “powerful”.. its just a fucking game, go do something, invent something, or earn a living and even then its not worth gloating over you just end up looking like a douche bag. When i play games online i try not to let trash talk get to me its nothing more then.. well.. trash.

Yeah, mean people suck, and mean no-life-losers suck the worst. I’m considering dumping some time into hacking this pig if someone open sources it. If we have to write a whole lan component we should just hack the whole thing for balance. Then again we could just flip Blizzard the bird and keep playing our current favorites. Having a life helps keep old games interesting. DOTA, COD, and a few others still do the trick after a long day of real life. Leave mastering bug ridden betas for the lifeless losers. Then when they build their whole strategy around nuke spam and it finally gets balanced they’ll cry in their nasty smelly greasy pillow.

dude im sorry but if u cant win 2v1 in starcraft beta it means ur terrible. if the races are unbalanced right now, it’s just because blizzard hasn’t finished making the game. theres a reason its called a beta. it’s not the real thing. And for you to say SC was unbalanced…….if your understanding of starcraft strategy, counters, timing pushes, macro, and micro doesn’t tell you that all three races are equal and it jsut depends on how good the player is, then you havn’t really played starcraft all that much

but yea the poeple who play the beta are assholes…. and they aren’t even that good. IF you want some strategy ideas email me

Andrew: Knowing nothing about me or the situation, you have already passed judgment.. awesome. “I don’t want to have to suffer the fanboy jackasses who feel the need to tell you how much you suck every five minutes just to make themselves feel better.. ” — thanks for telling me I’m terrible.

During the phase of the beta when I was still playing everyone was playing Terran and nothing else.. That’s a clue to a possible balance issue. And while I’ll be the first to admit that I’m no pro at starcraft, the fact that two of us (the other guy seemed to know what he was doing) couldn’t break his turtle means there was a balance issue.

Thanks for the strategy offer but at this point I think I’ll save my money for diablo

I’m sorry you’ve had poor experiences with online play, but not being able to win 2v1 is definitely not proof of a balance issue. It’s really only indicates that you’re a weak player. Arguing you should win simply because it’s 2v1 is fridge logic.

The main issue I see with SC2 is the fact that it is still in beta. Let me explain. Blizzard has issued over 16 patches since the release of the beta in an attempt to balance the races. While I feel that the protoss could be buff up a more (lets start with the mothership) all 3 races can put on a good fight. What turns me off with SC2 is the players, most beta players are hardcore 19 yros. I am 30 and I like to game 2 or 3 times a week (i would love to do more, but i have a job/life). I got owned in my last match and afterwards I check out the players stats. He played over 120 matches in the last 5 days (of beta phase 2). That means he plays around 24 matches a day which is around 8 hours a day! I will NEVER be able to win against these gamers but when SC2 becomes available to the public hopefully we will get a flood of causal gamers which I can hang with. For now I would not recommend SC2 Beta to those who are not hardcore/clan/tournament players.

Starcraft 2 is in three parts at $60.00 dollars a pop for a total of $180 dollars. Hated Activision has its hands in the pot. The game gets too crowded and slow in the beta version. Corporate world has destroyed the gamer, and this game will be the downfall of Blizzard and bloody Activision, mark my words.

Now I am one of the best gamers in the world, and I remember how much fun total annihilation was because of the raw number of units and the huge size you could make the world. This is all do to open source code and many brilliant people adding creatures to the game. Blizzard is the only one left, like microsoft, and we are stuck with crap. Marketing ploys, poor creature design not looking anything fierce, and bad game play. Now I am not here to argue, will not be returning to this blog, and I hope I reach as many as possible. So take my comments as a very serious warning.

I will work hard to be one of the first to crack and pirate the game. Please do not give your hard earned money too these morons. I believe in funding competitive gaming companies. Wait and pirate it like me. I will show Blizzard and Activision the true meaning of what they lust for, greed.

Up yours Activision.

Signed
Pissed Off

What is there to say. $60 per game times three parts for a whopping $180 dollars. No game is worth that. I remember when games like Total Annihilation (Better than Starcraft 1) by Cavedog came out with nice games that had open editors and you could create tons of arm and core dudes. Here is Starcraft 2, lame as hell, limited in thought, no lan allowed, expensive, map editor is supposed to take a genius to use, and a possibility of being required to use Battlenet to even play it. Gamers mad need to be on Battlenet to even get certain features of the game that will not come with the stand alone product. Bite me.

I will never buy any games from Blizzard or their new ally Activision. I will pirate your games and figure ways around your stupid system. You will learn that GREED is not the key to gaming. Driving out your competition until your the only one left is why we are left with crap. Take Microsoft for example.

World save your money, do not preorder, and send these clowns at Blizzard and Activision a clear message. Follow the days of old school games like Total Annihilation that treated games with respect, and boycott Blizzard.

NO LAN, BATTLENET REQUIRED!
$180 FOR ONLY PART OF GAME!
YOU SUCK BLIZZARD & ACTIVISION!
HOPE YOU GUYS GO BELLY UP!

this game is so unbalanced its sickening. Bottom line is Terran are VERY overpowered unless you are a pro player and willing to bust your ass to even be somewhat even with terrans. in the bottom to middle brackets, its not even close to balanced.

Here’s an example:
Playing Protoss, I see that my opponent is goin air units, like any lamer Terran does after turtling. So, I make a ton of cannons, which are SUPPOSED to have detect stealth on them. So he flies in 3 banshees with cloak and takes them ALL out without them even firing at him.

WTF

IDK why I even thought that Blizzard was about making balanced games after seeing the nightmare that WoW was. Blizzard is simply about catering to the pro players and making them feel special after taking money from the rest of us. Their track record of giving pro players beta and sneak peeks wreaks of this.

Dont buy this game and dont believe the hype. It’s terrible and is a waste of your time and money.

lol.. ok… he turtled because it was 2 vs him. he had a total of two bases. you and your partner used up every last mineral on the map and yet still lost.. and to make it worse, he was lolnuking you two while he was reading a magazine probably.

with that information… all the race imbalances that have ever existed in starcraft 1 or 2 put together do not justify the fact that you lost… the only reason you lost is because you are both absolutely horrendous. like so bad they need to create a new league for you. maybe the paper n’ plastic league or some shit like that lol.

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I came across this, and while it may be a little late on the response, you saying that sc1 is unbalanced makes me want to slap you. Sc1 is by far the most balanced strategy game with multiple races. If you say that the terran are overpowered i call you an idiot. In order to avoid a nuke, all you have to do is keep a mobile detector in your base and find the ghost when he launches. You are horrible, and stupid. You obviously have to be, or you would be able to find a counter for anything is starcraft. douche

^^^ And that ladies and gentlemen is the average SC2 player. This is the type of person you have to subject yourself to when playing.. See Primary Reason #1 in the post.

I played SC1 many years ago as a casual player, and had an awesome time. The past couple days, I’ve played a few dozen games of SC2 on a friend’s account, and got roflstomped over and over. Maybe it’s because while I dropped SC1… 10 years ago, these uber players latched on to it like rats to a bit of moldy cheese.
In short, SC2 multiplayer has been a completely awful experience for me as a casual gamer, and I have no plans at all to continue playing.

The game completely sucks. Starcraft 1 was a good game FOR IT’S TIME. In the meantime, for the last 12 years we learned that you can have more fun with a deeper strategy and less repetitive micromanagement. Starcraft 2 did the opposite, while milking 8 years old engine. That’s why the graphics suck. You just can’t make a great looking game on a 8 years old engine. And the style itself is bad. In sc1 zealots looked dangerous, now they look like star wars jar-jar-binks (with a lightsaber too). All Disneyfied. You’d think it would be a logical move from Blizzard to make all the workers go for the minerals at the start of the game automatically. But not only they didn’t make it so, but they added for each race stupid repetitive process of clicking the same button whenever you gather enough energy (mule/chronosphere/puke). There’s no choice there, no strategy, no brain, just click on the same buttons over and over again. How interesting…

As soon as I have to do over and over again same thing, the strategy game stops, and the work begins. I’d rather bore my self to death while making money.

The first 5 minutes of the game are always the same. I can guarantee I could make the script which would be able to beat everybody in the first 3 minutes. Just let the AI go for the rush, bring all the workers and attack with a perfect distribution every time (which is impossible for any player). There, a perfect Starcraft 2 script of a player. Just dumb crap for even dumber people training their APM. Go play online flash shooter games, it’s faster and the end result is the same and it costs less then 150$ (it’s free), and there’s less repetition.

“. If you say that the terran are overpowered i call you an idiot. ”

If you have no proof other than expressing an opinion, YOU are the idiot.

Go stick your dick in an electrical outlet. People like you are killing online SC, and the fun that comes with playing a game.

So I make it quick not to say the same whines as others:

No lan, no chatrooms, retard facebook integration, no community, censored maps, hacks already, untested patches, high machine requirements and unbalance is just a part of the problem.

Their nazi moderation is the other part. Maybe there are way too many douches but moderating the hell out of an already broken community is NOT what they should do.
When they started up the forums in the first 2-3 weeks there would’ve been so many bitching and cursing on the game what you wouldn’t saw for other games BUT there aren’t any because they moderated out every thread in minutes.

I didnt even bother logging on the forum and tell my opinion because blizztard admins would delete the comment + bann my acc from the forums for good. And there goes 70 euros.

This game 100% money oriented and not about quality, no question about that.
I keep seeing topics like

“I’m quitting”
“Just uninstalled the game”
“SC2 sucks”

all over the forums. It’s not even about nice discussions anymore like in wow forums but BITCHING and WHINING all over the place.

Until they didn’t upload the parasite map to the server I havent played custom games and made 0 friends in SC2 but now I keep seeing the same people every day in custom para games.

Blizz screwed up big time with this, everyone knows that by now I guess I dont have to bash it even more. SC2 is JUST ANOTHER GAME like farcry2 what you will get bored to and uninstall it at the end.

The only thing why there was so huge initial player base is because of the millions of old fans were waiting for it for 10 years. For a kid today who have never played sc1 it would probably be just another throwaway game.

I bought the game in early September, and it’s less than a month and I’m quitting for good. I can’t believe SC2 deserves to be sold at $60. It’s single player is short and corny. The matchmaking is just terrible. Most of the gamers there play at least 2 hours per day, so for most people with a life, it’s not fun.

The number of arrogant losers who live in their parents’ basement and play this game all day long is astonishing. Seriously. You can’t find a simple game against another casual player on Battlenet — it’s all players who know the game inside and out.

Get lives and get laid you fucking pathetic losers.

i can only agree with you about the majority of SC2 players being assholes. one guy swore about 5 lines at me for not succeeding in an attack on the opposing team’s base. I just told him to get some no tears shampoo and go outside if this game bothers him too much. BTW…what is the average age of an SC2 player i wonder? i wouldnt be surprised if it was early teens with the behaviour ive seen out there.

I, too, agree with the consensus that this game blows.. I was in the last beta phase, just stuck to 3vai and 2vai.. That’s what I mainly did in SC1 when I wasn’t doing the campaign..

Friends of mine who played SC1 kept asking me how it was and at the time, I found myself enjoying it again.. Losing against hard AI’s was kind of frustrating, but as people played the game, they got better at figuring out how the computer works.

After having some fun with those games, my friends and I wound up picking up the game on launch day.. Kept us occupied for quite some time when we were doing anything vs AI, but after a while we started craving some challenge. That’s when we made the biggest mistake ever. We decided to start with 3v3 or 2v2.. Won most of our placement matches and got placed in a league.. As soon as we were in that league, Gold, we stopped winning games..

I actually uninstalled the game for a long time, but then decided I needed something to do while I was at work so I reinstalled it and played the campaign., Eventually made my way back to online and it’s gotten even worse.. The people who were doing the stupid tactics when I 1st started playing got even better at it. At this point, it’s just absurd. The game takes no skill, it’s basically whoever can mass the most units in the shortest amount of time. People really think this game takes skill? LoL, it takes skill to keep yourself from ripping your own head off when you get beaten by something that’s too OP..

Needless to say, I’ve uninstalled the game yet again and this time, I don’t plan on ever reinstalling it. This game blows.

There’s quite a lot of poor arguments in here. First of all, yea, SC2 players can be pretty rude. Unfortunately most of the internet is like that. Any game, especially a competitive one is going to have trash talkers. Half of them do it just to throw you off your game. You can hardly say SC2 is unique here.

Second, losing to a guy 2 basing when you have 8 or whatever you described really does just mean you didn’t handle things properly. Thats like losing to a guy in quake who’s using his machine gun when you have 200 armor and a rocket launcher. It’s not imbalance, you just got outplayed.

Lastly, I have to laugh at folks complaining that they lose all the time because the game takes no skill. This is such a contradictory argument I’m astonished people can actually convince themselves this is true.

GL HF

Forgot to mention some stuff

To the guy who says activision/blizzard is just greedy because they are charging so much for the expansion. Ok, I suppose that’s a legit argument, up until the point you say you’re going to pirate the game. Then you just become a hypocrite. If you think it’s too expensive, don’t buy it, but stealing it just means you’re greedy too.

Regarding the matchmaking system, it’s actually the best of any online RTS I’ve ever seen. I have checked many people’s profiles and aside from the very low ranked bronze players and the very high ranked diamond players, everyone is sitting at about 50% wins. So it’s doing it’s job correctly. I think the issue here is perception. I’ve seen this argument from other people and upon inspecting their account they are usually around 50% wins. However it seems 50% wins is not a satisfying experience for many players. I suspect this is due to single player games usually providing more of a 90% win ratio which many gamers are accustomed to.

In particular the guy who said he won 5 placement matches, got put in gold and started losing. Well…. since you’re up 5 games, the system is gonna give you challenging opponents until you balance out. You can pretty much guarantee that any win streak will be accompanied by an equally sized losing streak, and vice versa.

I doubt anyone will read this, since I’m posting so late, but hopefully you’ll take some of this into consideration instead of senselessly bashing the game. If it’s not your style of game and you don’t find it fun, fine, but the illogical arguments in here really needed to be called out for what they are.

Peace

I’d like to see this 2v1 replay posted. My guess is you are a bad zerg player, your ally was a bad zerg player, and the other guy was half-decent. Too many people whine about unbalanced this and unbalanced that when the truth is that they are just bad and too slow to pick up on the subtleties of the balancing, how/when to use which units, etc. Lots of people play zerg, and lots play random, and they do just fine. It’s no secret that terran is designed as a defensive race, so I’m not all that surprised that two mediocre zerg players couldn’t break through double terran defense. I play zerg almost exclusively and I’m diamond in every category, and I win around 50% in FFA.

I couldn’t disagree more about the idea that this blizzard is only greedy and doesn’t care about quality. This game was in development for 10+ years. They could easily have released a half-baked version 5 years ago, with two expansions by now if they really didn’t care about quality. Obviously they are in it for money, but that doesn’t mean the quality isn’t there.

Even now sc2 is horribly friggin imbalanced as hell. Zerg are weak. I could balance this game BETTER than anyone else really could. ForZerg I would had a hp boost to everything but workers. Like Majorly. I would make zerglings come in fours. Hydras would be 1.5 tech meaning right after you roach warren you could get hydras. Hydras would run really fast even off creep. Scourge would return which would kill all air units. Scourge would too come in fours. Banelings would do more damage than they normally do. Ultras would be buffed and cost lowered to 125 mins and 125 gas. Hydras would gain +3 range.For mutas the cost would be lowered. Hatchery/lair/hive would make larvae faster. Queens can evolve to air which would have the broodling option return. Infestors would now infest gateways and barracks Spawning infested terrans until the effect wears off. Nydus worms spawn faster. Spines and Spores now build faster and cost lowered. When unburrowed the spines and spores have decreased plantation time.
For terrans Thors would be removed with goliaths added with the multilocked systems. Muaraders nolonger have slow. Firebats are added.
For toss hp would be lowered voids gone with scouts added. Mother ship would do more than just suck. Arbiters would be added. Forcefields would be taken out. Archons are more powerful now. DarkArchons are now added back in with new abilities. Dragoons with blink are added.

So yeah if you don’t agree with this or parts of this then too bad. This is what I think. I am entitled to my own opinion. Also don’t use the arguement that you suck AND are a bad player cause it fails hardcore. Ive had enough of assholes in the gaming universe.And Ive had enough of pricks. Im about to strictly play against the Ai and or friends cause this is fucking ridiculous. If you dont like it then TOO FUCKING BAD.

It really is not the games fault, if this is really the case you are just a very very very very bad player a 6 base zerg should roll a 2 base zerg almost instantly

This game is exclusively for POLE SMOKERS.

You and your friend’re just being too noob don’t need to blame starcraft 2.. tsk tsk..

So much pathetic people here. They lose and automatically blame the game, say the game doesn’t take skill, decide to uninstall, decide to steal the game, decide that Blizzard is greedy ALL BECAUSE YOU LOSE IN A VIDEO GAME.

God forbid that you put a little bit of work into something to be good at it. I have no idea how you guys even get through everyday life with this mindset.

This made me laugh. I know this is from forever ago but I felt compelled to comment. It was a beta – part of the goal of a beta in general is to refine the game, including balance issues for RTS games. So even if I agreed with your viewpoint on balance at this time (which I don’t), it still doesn’t reflect the game at release.

All races are good at different things, therefore some strategies are better against certain races – but that’s what happens when you have 3 completely distinct races in a game.

If you and a partner zerg expanded to every base and mined them all out and a 2 base terran still won – you’re doing it wrong and tossing units at him, or he’s way better than you. Most likely it was the latter. Fair enough, you don’t like to lose – no one does, but you’re likely to come across people way better than you at games on the nebulous internets. Get used to it. If you want to win, get better – if you don’t care enough to get better at the game, don’t complain when you lose. You say you like CoH – personally I think it takes less multitasking and skill to play (mainly because there’s less economy to manage), but I’ve only played it once so I fully admit my statement isn’t backed by any knowledge – a similarity to your comments above. That aside, if I played you and lost in a big way in CoH, does that suddenly make the side I played unbalanced? Or is it just likely you’re much better than me?

Also since the beta the ladder matchmaking system has gotten a lot better and you’d likely be playing people of your skill level after a few placement games.

As far as people – yes, some people are dicks – that comes with any popularized game, but a lot of people are great people. It doesn’t sound like you played too many games, so I doubt you can refute this statement with any degree of accuracy.

Anyways, that’s the end of my rant – as a software developer I just resent it when people judge what a product is going to be like when it comes out during the beta. It’s a beta for a reason – you want to iron things out. Also I love SC2 and I feel you didn’t give it a fair try. I’m also trying to get into CoH cause I have a few friends who love it though – so I may have to change my comment about it above after I’ve played more.

Starcraft is the most unbalanced game I’ve ever seen actually. I’ve never played Starcraft I, yet Starcraft, I have. I noticed how it is unbalanced when i selected as many zerglings as it would allow(AKA 12 zerglings). With a courageous attempt to eliminate a Terran bunker, I couldn’t. For anyone who claims hotkeys, 144 zerglings can’t kill 143 Terran Marines. “Yay, I’m going to obliterate all the Terran base, with 12 zerglings”

It is true what you say, but try playing EVE Online, I’d argue that they’re even worse there because they actually think that randomly getting the right fit for their cruiser ship automatically means they’re skilled.

It is sad but I think that the age where you simply logged on a game to play and have fun is dead. Corporations and games developers have found they can keep gamers on their games for far longer and cheaper if they inflate their ego’s through shiny items and ladder competitions.

Good luck trying to do that kind of thing on CSS, I think the best games are the ones where even with nothing more than a pistol you can take down several opponents at once.

The kind of games like Starcraft 2 are nothing more than rock/paper/scissors online and in the end can only have one definite outcome as opposed to everything being up to the player.

Just cuz u dont know the game well enough you shout “imbalanced” overpowerd terran … quite immature as you say your self youre new at the game, how could you possibly even judge if the game is balanced or not no matter how good u where at sc1.

Im not trollig just stating the truth for alot of you blind people out there, most players in whatever game you take as in a example are quite bad and do stuff without really knowing why and never ask them self the question why. These people always have an opinion and always want to judge things, and it fail about every time. Cuz .. youre simply not good enough to judge

Quake one, starcraft, warcraft, civilization 3-5 online … people think they are good but they aint, there are only a few diamonds out there in the world and a few more who understand their limits and that they are actually not that great and barley good enough to judge and have good oppinions about the game

But as long as you enjoy the game .. who cares, just spare me your opinion about the balance in diffrent games youre so far away from understanding

I personally agree with the imbalancement, i believe no race at all is balanced to the right percentage. I do however not think that terran is unbalanced on all sides, sure terran has to get some nerfes but terran needs other things to do then ONLY mnm once its mid game or end game. all the other 2 races has tactics to go for like only warpgate units or roaches/zerglings etc. Terran has no variety. I personally have become so mad with rage against blizzard for not managing to balance 3 fucking races (YES BLIZZARD! SUCK COCK)
for example, emp got nerfed that was the terran equal of fungal growth which ownes against any light infantary or what ever gets struck by the stun and massive dmg, same with psi storm. But my question is what does terran havE? tanks? that are imobile and suck dick? yeah i guess… i will not be playing sc2 anymore since im fucking sick of blizzard and how they have become with there small “changes” to their games -.-

Well lets see…I know its been too long since the release of the S2 but I decided to buy it one month ago.You are right.The races are TOTALLY UNBALLANCED.I decided to play online as Zerg and after spending hours playing ranked matches and finishing the story I spotted some of the unbalances.First of all the zerg are the weakest race there.It cannot build any structures (except the main building-the hatchery)anywhere on the map unless there is creep on the ground.The units are SUPER WEAK so zerg rely on numbers(the more the better)but until you gather the desirable amount of units you get pwned by the other player.I tried some techniques I saw on the internet but the only one that worked is to produce zerglings and attack opponets builders.If u fail that,the chances to win is unfavorable.Now about the protoss and the terran.Protoss builders can spam buildings very fast.So they use that advantage to win.Terran units and buildings are strong so they turtle up,and no Zerg can approach them.Thats some of the unbalances I spotted while I was playing.There are more but I dont want to become tedious.Of course you could say:If you cant handle zerg then choose an other race.The question is right but I played the campaign and i liked them.Also the main part of the campaign you play as a Terran.So you get small chance to familiarize yourself with the other races.And in the end of the day cant a dude choose its favorite race?Ans Blizzard owes to make them balanced.But they didnt

Ok

someone said the story was corny i think the story has corny moments but over all is pretty good if you beat the SC1 campaign. Now some people didn’t even contain facts as to why “starcraft 2 sucks..” please stop flaming i know the community is filled with douche bags ( or atleast bronze i’ve only been in bronze) basically this game is a dick to newbs. if i found you and i wish it was me i would train you and stuff so a dick move wouldn’t make you hate this game. i don’t know what to say really i really enjoy the fast paced combat. I kind of see how stuff can be countered and am training to get better. Also yes void rays are over powered in the lower leagues if you don’t pull some diamond moves you die. still once again i don’t know what to say but lets have peace, i hate flame wars >__>) i have a feeling that this was invain and i’m gonna get horribly insulted but ya know what since i love you guys i posted anyway ;D

I absolutely agree with you Jason the only thing i disagree with is saying the game is unbalanced. everything else i have found after 150 games to be absolutely true, which is sad cus sc2 is a great game*(well i’m in love with fast combat and repetition) which is why i think its great and enjoy i guess… i don’t wanna be a douche? was i a douche..

well if you ever consider leageu again i will personally train you and then you surpass me and we surpass each other thats if you have the time cus it will probably take 2 years for fuks sake XD